Talk:Stonebreaker and Hammerwielder Language

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Restored

OK - This is nearly back up to what it was before we lost the backup (and this time I'm keeping my own backups) There may be a few changes here and there (my memory not being what it was) so if anyone spots major differences, please let me know.

Now what? I have a huge amount of vocabulary, but this isn't best suited to the Wiki-style layout. I can separate it into themes (like a phrase book would): food, weapons, body parts etc. This might be useful to those wanting a feel for the language. I am maintaining a dictionary at http://www.geocities.com/Arka_Garam which I am happy to reference from here.

Any ideas? What do people want to see here?

Arka 2.1.07

First of all, a dictionary. ;)

I found the link to your dictionary more by chance than by searching. I'm really impressed! But due to the fact that most people, just like me, only find this wiki, but not the slightly hidden link to your dictionary - wouldn't it be better to put the dictionary on this wiki, too?

A nice addition would be a dictionary in the other direction, means: English -> Pel Perrakithor --Grunior (signature added ex post--Daevaorn 05:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT))

Hello, Grunior. Whom are you addressing, and what/where is that dictionary you are refering to. Of course it would be good to copy such a ressource to the wiki. --Daevaorn 05:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I'm addressing Arka, who started this discussion and asked for wishes. The dictionary is the one he mentions above in his original entry (http://www.geocities.com/Arka_Garam). It is quite comprehensive and would help to improve the knowledge about Pel Perrakithor a lot. --Grunior 10:26, 14 March 2008 (EDT)
Ah, of course. Somehow thought I had to find that link in the Language article, not here. Sorry. Arka's last edit here was more than a year ago, I doubt that he is still reading this page. Maybe we should try and contact him to ask if he minded us taking over the dictionary contents? --Daevaorn 05:30, 15 March 2008 (EDT)
Agreed. The problem is, that he doesn't have a link on his pages and i couldn't find one here either. I'll try to contact him in-game, but that might take a while. Maybe you could try the same? --Grunior 08:18, 17 March 2008 (EDT)
I will. Unfortunately he has not provided an e-mail address here either, so we can't contact him, via the Wiki software. ("e-mail this user") --Daevaorn 04:57, 18 March 2008 (EDT)

European languages WTH?

Is there supposed to be a direct relationship between Stonebreakers in Yliakum and RL humans? Otherwise the statements "some even claim that this was the forerunner of modern European languages. What is clear is that there are many cognates (shared roots) with European languages; which came first is less clear" make no sense at all. Not to mention that if this is supposed to be IC, from the POV of some Yliakum linguist, there is no knowledge of "modern Europe". Also, even if "European" is changed to "human", referring to Ylians and Xacha, that would imply that there was a connection between humans and dwarves before any of them came to Yliakum. While AFAIK there's nothing strictly against this view, there is nothing to support it either, and IMO the odds are largely against it: Ylians arrived in Yliakum way before dwarves, it is mentioned explicitely that the dwarves reported on the Xacha in the Stone Labyrinths. But given that the Xacha did not follow the dwarves, nor did the dwarves hint to them that they found Yliakum, their relationship cannot have been more than a passing encounter. Even though the history mentions that the dwarves found the Xacha "rich in knowledge and traditions", that doesn't necessitate forming a common language: mere observation would suffice.

I therefore made this stuff refer to "human languages" instead; if this is meant to be important OOC information, then it should be phrased unmistakably as such, because otherwise people will infer from this that Yliaki know about the real world or at least something akin to it, which is wrong. I even doubt that something like our world exists in the PS universe (and I'm not sure I'd like it to be otherwise). I've put OOC stuff in brackets, but some stuff that might be IC is left with brackets around it. This should be cleared up further.

Also, the part about the ancient dwarven language is highly unclear, so I re-phrased that to make more sense (to me). If this is all wrong, then please revert or otherwise correct it!

Lastly, I don't think it is logical to create an entirely new language just to communicate with people who already have their own language: if these people can't pronounce your language, but you can pronounce theirs, then it makes more sense to just use theirs altogether. Also, if dwarves actually still use their own ancient language to talk to each other, then why would this be called "Stonebreaker language", and more importantly, why would it not be also used by the Hammerwielders, especially since they are merely two separate clans and arrived (thus travelled) together? IMO it would make more sense for there to be "Dwarven interlingo" (Pel Perrakithor) and "Ancient dwarven language" instead of "Stonebreaker" and "Hammerwielder"?--Seytra 00:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)