Talk:Klyros Language

Just thought I'd open this discussion so that there could be communication between people who are working on this language. -bguy

Usage of Kefaos

I think it would be good to expand upon this section, but I am not sure how I would do so. Any ideas? -bguy

Knubixos

The only use for Knubixos I can think of is signifying that word is someone's signature. Are there any other uses anyone can think of because that? -bguy

Well, it can be used as punctuation like end of sentence or end of paragraph or something. --Grigori 17:59, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

In the typography section it says that there is no punctuation, just spaces for end of sentences and half spaces for end of words, and even those are optional. -bguy

Question

Grigori, how do you get comments to show up after changes? -bguy

While you edit, there is text field below the one where you are editing. In this lower one there is default the name of section you are editing.

It is called "Summary". --Grigori 18:01, 20 May 2009 (PDT)

Konos and Kzanos morphology

It looks like it is now required strongly to specify strict morphology of konos and kzanos. There must be a set of rules that can at least clearly define word class and the root of it. As we have some material on it I think that word class is to be defined by one prefix, sometimes two. I strongly recommend not to implement other types of prefixes.

Otherwise there will be no language but mess of things.

For now I start to look at current honoring "wo-" prefix with indignation.

Also for konos there can be several of them derived from single ksin. It should be some sub-class suffix I think. We now have only "-san" and "-sin". It should be more. I think something for place where the action takes place, result of it maybe. I wonder if we could you Hrothgart's ideograms qu, qa etc. It still shall be considered and discussed.

--Grigori 05:27, 21 May 2009 (PDT)

    Perhaps prefixes should be reserved for word class as you said, and also very important descriptors, so it would work as a title of degree. For example, ksiblimwo would mean "a brother I honor" while kwosiblim means "an honorable brother that you should honor as well". This would allow for more word diversity, and if it is noted that the practice is mostly for poetic effect, it would take care of the multitudes of prefixes that are derived from suffixes.

-bguy

Once again, the potential difficulty that we could face in further developing is to define the root. For example kwosiblim is "wo" the root or "sib"?

I've been thinking for quite some time on idea of special silent words that are used to split honoring prefixes/suffixes from the main.

Like ksiblim-wo instead of ksiblimwo and wo-ksiblim instead of kwosiblim. Much more clear for me. Being silent word it show have no sounds of it own but while spelling maybe it could mean little bit longer pause between syllables. It would however look like Japanese transliteration. You know, Somebody-kun, Someone-sama :).

--Grigori 04:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

- Sounds reasonable. Would there be an ideogram to represent this, or would it be limited to transliteration? Also would it be a strict requirement for grammar, or used as needed for differing situations?

- Ideogram will be better I think. Or maybe two - for splitting the word core from (dis)honoring prefixes and suffixes. As for use. Well, it could be optional but still recommended. What would you think? --Grigori 23:23, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Knetos Morphology

In the current morphology of Knetos, you describe them as Net with a specific suffix. How does this show spatial relationships or other prepositions, and if it is just such, what is the purpose as these are already described in the Ksinos' suffixes? -bguy

It's just I cannot yet find good enough ideograms for spatial and temporal relations. For now there is only "netqo" - analogous to "at" in English. But for now there is no "from" or "to" knetos.

As for dublication... maybe we'll get rid of it later.

--Grigori 14:09, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Kzanos and desriptive ksinos?

It looks like Klyran now lacks kzanos. It is not about their number but about concept. For example how can we write "red house". I concern "red" now. There should be certain ksin as base of word "red". If it is "to be red" ksin then we need a whole class of ksinos of type "to be ..." (blue, kind, strong, gentle, shy, weak, etc.). And for that class kzanos starting with zan- are derived.

Otherwise we should change original idea of Klyran as verb-only-base language.

--Grigori

My opinion on this is that Kzanos would be a more figurative language. For example, "fuu" means to shroud or to hide, while "xufuu" could mean black. "Xunwos" (under the assumption Klyran blood is red) could be red, "xulim" sky blue, "xumil" ocean blue, etc. As this is a klyros language, association between colors and words don't have to "make sense" to the general population, as long as it "makes sense" to Klyros of the long ago when it was made. If you don't object to this, we could add to the Language page a list of colors and their words,

--Bguy 12:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

1) At least lets don't use "xu-" for descriptive kzanos. Let it be "zan-". "xu-" is for possessive. 2) It really would be complicated. So a ksin has meaning as verb and also as adverb/adjective if "zan-" is added to the beginning with little logical connection with the verb. It can save us much time on drawing ideograms of course but we'll for each ideogram make 2 such senses (verb & adverb/adjective).